[32003] Iª q. 84 a. 8 arg. 1Ad octavum sic proceditur. Videtur quod iudicium intellectus non impediatur per ligamentum sensus. Superius enim non dependet ab inferiori. Sed iudicium intellectus est supra sensum. Ergo iudicium intellectus non impeditur per ligamentum sensus.
[32004] Iª q. 84 a. 8 arg. 2Praeterea, syllogizare est actus intellectus. In somno autem ligatur sensus, ut dicitur in libro de Somn. et Vig.; contingit tamen quandoque quod aliquis dormiens syllogizat. Ergo non impeditur iudicium intellectus per ligamentum sensus.
[32005] Iª q. 84 a. 8 s. c.Sed contra est quod in dormiendo ea quae contra licitos mores contingunt, non imputantur ad peccatum; ut Augustinus in XII super Gen. ad Litt. dicit. Hoc autem non esset si homo in dormiendo liberum usum rationis et intellectus haberet. Ergo impeditur rationis usus per ligamentum sensus.
[32006] Iª q. 84 a. 8 co.Respondeo dicendum quod, sicut dictum est, proprium obiectum intellectui nostro proportionatum est natura rei sensibilis. (source right here for ad 1) Iudicium autem perfectum (iudicium perfectum - is this a chance phrase or a technical one) de re aliqua dari non potest, nisi ea omnia quae ad rem pertinent cognoscantur, et praecipue si ignoretur id quod est terminus et finis iudicii. Dicit autem philosophus, in III de caelo, quod sicut finis factivae scientiae est opus, ita naturalis scientiae finis est quod videtur principaliter secundum sensum, faber enim non quaerit cognitionem cultelli nisi propter opus, ut operetur hunc particularem cultellum; I find this relationship to be a very interesting one.... what does it say.... I am thinking that I shouldn't get blurred from the parallel with "factive" science - the end of which is the work, and the end of natural science which seems principally according to sense... i think? et similiter naturalis non quaerit cognoscere naturam lapidis et equi, nisi ut sciat rationes eorum quae videntur secundum sensum. stone and horse... but he says somewhere that "stone" is derived from "to hurt a foot" - which I think he says to demonstrate that we relate to the senses... or to the appetitive... not sure.... Manifestum est autem quod non posset esse perfectum iudicium fabri de cultello, si opus ignoraret, I think it is more a question not so much that we make everything to be "practical" but that its WORK or its opus or its operation in the case of every thing is essential to its being known - what corresponds to "opus" in higher things, or things that are not instrumental? only substances end up falling uponj I guess... being said most in one way. et similiter non potest esse perfectum iudicium scientiae naturalis de rebus naturalibus, si sensibilia ignorentur. Omnia autem quae in praesenti statu intelligimus, cognoscuntur a nobis per comparationem ad res sensibiles naturales. Unde impossibile est quod sit in nobis iudicium intellectus perfectum, cum ligamento sensus, per quem res sensibiles cognoscimus. this is most interesting..... this has the status of a principle... I wonder what hte pattern of the articles is... it seems out we start so modestly... just showing X, and do we come around to an urgent case where sleep shows the dependency of our minds on sense that is not "solvitur" or "liberatur"? and what is it "liberated" from and what was it that became "solvitur"? and where can I find the positive statements in the Summa regarding these things?
[32007] Iª q. 84 a. 8 ad 1Ad primum ergo dicendum quod, quamvis intellectus sit superior sensu, accipit tamen aliquo modo a sensu, it receives nevertheless some way from the sense, and its first and principal objects are founded in the senses.... (can do a lot of footnoting and relating to earlier articles here!!!) et eius obiecta prima et principalia in sensibilibus fundantur. Et ideo necesse est quod impediatur iudicium intellectus ex ligamento sensus.
[32008] Iª q. 84 a. 8 ad 2Ad secundum dicendum quod sensus ligatur in dormientibus propter evaporationes quasdam et fumositates resolutas, ut dicitur in libro de Somn. et Vig. Et ideo secundum dispositionem huiusmodi evaporationum, contingit esse ligamentum sensus maius vel minus. Quando enim multus fuerit motus vaporum, ligatur non solum sensus, am I dreaming or are these vapor issues connected with my studies on the history of melancholy? Might find some interesting things in there which must be only footnotes but helpful footnotes here.... sed etiam imaginatio, ita ut nulla appareant phantasmata; sicut praecipue accidit cum aliquis incipit dormire post multum cibum et potum. Si vero motus vaporum aliquantulum fuerit remissior, apparent phantasmata, sed distorta et inordinata; sicut accidit in febricitantibus (feverish). Si vero adhuc magis motus sedetur, apparent phantasmata ordinata (ordered); sicut maxime solet contingere in fine dormitionis, et in hominibus sobriis et habentibus fortem imaginationem(sober and strong imagination). Si autem motus vaporum fuerit modicus, non solum imaginatio remanet libera "imagination remains free", sed etiam ipse sensus communis ex parte solvitur "also common sense partly "solvitur"; ita quod homo iudicat interdum in dormiendo ea quae videt somnia esse, quasi diiudicans inter res et rerum similitudines. what kind of "real" awake activity does this correspond to? Sed tamen ex aliqua parte remanet sensus communis ligatus; et ideo, licet aliquas similitudines discernat a rebus discern some likenesses fro things, tamen semper in aliquibus decipitur but neverthless always decieved in some.really have to look at Michael's articles - the one where he says that true things can be thought of in dreaming - doesn't give exact quote but gives sources...... - go through his citations with a summa in hand. Sic igitur per modum quo sensus solvitur i am interested in this "solvitur" as well - and I do have good precedents for having studied that - althoughu sleep is something different from a strong passion - maybe there are some ways wehre they comet o common ground - e.g. stupor et imaginatio in dormiendo, liberatur imagination is "freed" and judgment of the intellect, nevertheless not totally (ex toto) et iudicium intellectus, non tamen ex toto. Unde illi qui dormiendo syllogizant, Syllogize when sleeping!!! cum excitantur, semper recognoscunt se in aliquo defecisse.
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